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The Pomp Podcast

#389: Sam Bankman-Fried On Capturing Profits In Crypto

9/22/2020 · 78 min · transcript via mlx

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Key topics

Sam's journey from MIT physics and Jane Street trading to discovering crypto arbitrage opportunities in late 2017, motivated by effective altruism principles of maximizing charitable impact.

The operational complexity of executing even "simple" arbitrage across fragmented global exchanges, exemplified by the Japan bitcoin arbitrage requiring months of setup across jurisdictions, bank accounts, and regulatory hurdles.

Alameda Research's evolution from arbitrage trader to multi-asset liquidity provider across spot, futures, derivatives, and emerging DeFi opportunities, self-funded without outside capital.

FTX's founding in late 2018 as a derivatives-first exchange addressing failures and clawbacks at competitors, growing to the fifth-largest exchange by leveraging institutional networks and product execution.

DeFi's composability as a transformative feature enabling seamless integration of protocols (DEX + lending = margin trading in one transaction), contrasted with centralized finance's friction and operational complexity.

Yield farming as a token distribution mechanism with legitimate use cases (incentivizing adoption) but prone to unsustainable returns (1000%+ annualized), comparable to ICOs as a new capital markets mechanism.

Market & price signals

Bitcoin and Ethereum traded at significant premiums (5–15%) on Japanese exchanges versus US exchanges in late 2017–early 2018, creating multi-million-dollar arbitrage opportunities.

Compound's peak saw hundreds of millions of dollars in single-token lending pools; Uniswap, Curve, Balancer, and SushiSwap each reached or approached $1 billion in yield farming liquidity.

Crypto lending rates typically range 5–30% annually (versus traditional 1–15%), making yield farming returns above that range ($100–$1,000% annualized) unsustainable and indicative of token hyperinflation or scams.

SushiSwap token crashed hard after founder Nomi took the $13–14 million project treasury; it later recovered after keys were transferred to Sam for community-controlled multi-sig governance.

Actionable insights

Understand that arbitrage in crypto requires solving for 12+ interconnected operational constraints (account verification, withdrawal limits, bank relationships, foreign exchange, regulatory compliance) simultaneously; one missing piece negates the entire trade.

Evaluate DeFi yield farming by two metrics: total dollar yield being distributed (not percentage) and market liquidity for exiting the farmed token; unsustainable yields (1000%+) often reflect hyperinflating token supplies that destroy value faster than they accrue it.

Recognize that effective altruism donors balancing capital growth with present-day charitable impact should give away a material amount annually to stay aligned with their original mission and avoid mission drift, even if long-term compounding favors deferring donations.

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