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How To Invest In OpenAI and Anthropic Before They Go Public | Ankur Nagpal

7/7/2026 · 45 min · transcript via whisper

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Private markets are increasingly where wealth compounds in America, with companies staying private longer (average 13 years before IPO) and public company count halving over decades; index-based venture investing works better than individual company picking.

USVC is a publicly accessible venture fund with $500 minimum entry, quarterly liquidity targets (up to 5% of fund), and NAV-based pricing to avoid premium/discount distortion seen in closed-end ETFs.

Portfolio includes SpaceX, Anthropic, OpenAI, Sierra, Ligora, Mercury, and Superbase; 20% allocated to early-stage fund managers for long-term compounding.

Anduril SPV controversy: USVC bought LP stakes in an SPV rather than direct company equity; poor communication caused backlash, but the practice is standard and Anduril's caution about cap table opacity is understandable.

AI is no longer a category but an inflection point across all businesses; focus shifting to companies solving hard problems—physical robotics, energy, foundation infrastructure—rather than AI-wrapped CRMs.

Tax alpha strategies (QSBS, direct indexing, treasury money markets, S-corps for self-employed) can compound to millions in savings over a career; USVC investors gain pass-through QSBS eligibility after three-year hold.

Market & price signals

S&P 500 has doubled since 2022, delivering strong returns. Venture fund IRRs historically reported at 17–18%, compared to NASDAQ's 12–13% over the past decade—outperformance narrowing as NASDAQ accelerates. AngelList data shows investor IRRs clustering around 12–20% with high sample sizes, but individual deals remain highly volatile (many go to zero). Robinhood trades at 2× NAV; past ETFs traded at extreme premiums (Destiny at 100× NAV). Private market marks increasingly suspect, with 2021 valuations inflated; conservative underwriting requires zeroing assets outside core thesis.

Actionable insights

If considering private markets, only invest leftover dollars after maxing tax-advantaged accounts (401k match, Roth IRA, HSA) and broad market indexing; don't deploy capital you need in the near term.

Use direct indexing instead of index funds for identical returns plus tax-loss harvesting; treasury money market funds beat high-yield savings without state/local taxes (New York example: no NYC/state levy on treasury yields).

Seek QSBS-eligible early-stage investments where possible: up to $15 million in zero-tax gains on C-corp stakes held 3+ years; solo 401k for self-employed lets you defer $72,000 annually and borrow tax-free.

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