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The Pomp Podcast

Will Reeves, CEO of Fold Inc: Scaling Bitcoin and Solving Merchant Issues with Pizza

11/25/2019 · 86 min · transcript via mlx

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Will Reeves built Fold to enable Bitcoin spending and earning through everyday consumer transactions, leveraging rewards programs and merchant partnerships rather than on-chain payments.

Fold solves merchant acceptance by converting customer Bitcoin or fiat into store credit, eliminating processing fees and chargebacks while letting merchants settle in USD without taking Bitcoin risk.

Lightning Network is production-ready for real-world commerce; Lightning Pizza proved it can handle $25–$50 transactions nationwide, with current self-imposed limits around $400 for network safety and routing reliability.

Layer two adoption will likely drive mainstream Bitcoin onboarding in the next five years, with users experiencing Lightning without realizing it through payments, trading, and messaging applications.

Fold prioritizes privacy by ensuring retailers and banks never see transaction details, pseudonymizing purchases and blocking data harvesting that fuels traditional payment fraud.

The biggest regulatory barrier is capital gains tax treatment of Bitcoin spending, which discourages everyday use despite being the most transformative real-world application.

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Actionable insights

If you use Fold with Bitcoin via Lightning, you earn 3–4% higher rewards than credit card purchases; spending Bitcoin directly incentivizes adoption while teaching newcomers currency mechanics without exchange volatility stress.

Retailers currently lose 1.5–3% to processing fees and suffer massive chargeback losses; Fold eliminates both while settling in fiat, creating a risk-free experiment for merchants to test Bitcoin's operational benefits.

Regulatory change to capital gains tax on Bitcoin spending would unlock a second adoption wave: today's speculators could transition to users once small purchases become tax-neutral, fundamentally shifting the narrative from store-of-value to medium-of-exchange.

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