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The Pomp Podcast

#241 Caitlin Long - Coronavirus: The Pin that Popped the Credit Bubble

3/16/2020 · 83 min · transcript via mlx

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Key topics

Caitlin Long's background as a 22-year Wall Street veteran (Morgan Stanley pension solutions executive) and her founding of Avanti Bank to serve the digital asset industry with 100% reserved banking and no rehypothecation.

Structural issues in legacy finance: the U.S. Treasury market seizure, repo market dysfunction, and excessive leverage in the shadow banking system since the early 1970s.

Coronavirus as the pin pricking an already over-leveraged credit bubble rather than the root cause; the U.S. accumulated $7.5 trillion in new debt in just two years (2017–2019).

The 1920 depression as a historical case study: a painful but short one-year downturn where the government did nothing, versus the prolonged Great Depression (1929–1936) when policymakers intervened heavily.

Fed balance sheet expansion from $800 billion (2008) to over $4 trillion, with predictions it could reach $10 trillion or higher in the current crisis through quantitative easing and liquidity injections.

Stock buybacks funded by corporate debt at artificially low interest rates destroyed capital and enriched executives, while pension funds hold credit that may face defaults as revenue dries up across industries.

Market & price signals

U.S. Treasury market dislocations: bid-offer spreads reached 100 basis points in the 30-year Treasury; the Fed's $1.5 trillion liquidity injection was needed to ensure a troubled 30-year Treasury auction cleared.

Bitcoin fell sharply during the liquidity crisis (around 50%), with correlation to equities trending toward one; however, the Bitcoin network remained operationally stable, adding a new block every 10 minutes despite price volatility.

Gold also declined approximately 30% during acute liquidity stress (similar to 2008), despite being considered a safe-haven asset; both gold and Bitcoin were sold early in deleveraging because they are not leveraged IOUs and thus easier to liquidate.

Treasury yields hit record lows across the entire curve as investors rushed to safety; stock market down roughly 9.5% with equivalent Bitcoin volatility of ~51% due to smaller market cap.

S&P 500 volatility and Treasury dysfunction signal systemic stress in fixed-income markets, which are the real nerve center of capital markets, not equities.

Actionable insights

Educate yourself on asset ownership types: Distinguish between IOUs (stocks, bonds, bank deposits, brokerage shares) and real assets you control outright (land, physical precious metals, cryptocurrencies in self-custody). Most financial assets are leveraged IOUs of unstable institutions; consider allocating a percentage of portfolio to assets protected from currency devaluation through quantitative easing.

Think in real terms, not nominal terms: Monitor your personal inflation rate relative to broader inflation and asset nominal appreciation. Wealth inequality accelerates when currency is debased; those holding real assets and debt benefit most from QE, while those holding only cash or deposits lose purchasing power silently.

Prepare mentally and practically for restructuring: The short-term pain of business failures and job losses is inevitable, but allowing bad debt and overleveraged companies to fail clears the system faster and builds long-term stability. In the interim, rely on local community, family, and charitable networks rather than expecting government support.

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