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The Pomp Podcast

#275: Yassine Elmandjra of ARK Invest on Bitcoin

4/21/2020 · 79 min · transcript via mlx

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Key topics

ARK Invest's philosophy centers on monetary maximalism: viewing crypto assets as money rather than software, favoring Bitcoin's reliability and trust-minimized properties over feature-rich competitors.

Square represents an indirect Bitcoin play through public markets exposure, combining low-cost customer acquisition in fintech with Bitcoin integration and Jack Dorsey's commitment to Bitcoin development through Square Crypto.

Bitcoin's March 2020 sell-off reflected a liquidity crisis affecting all asset classes, not a fundamental failure; long-term holders maintained positions while speculators capitulated, and historical correlations remain low outside acute crises.

Bitcoin mining increasingly monetizes stranded or underutilized energy (peaker plants, natural gas flares, hydro), converting energy into a hard asset while improving power plant economics by 5+ percentage points of return on invested capital.

The Bitcoin halving reduces miner supply incentives but improves structural economics once inefficient miners exit; scarcity reinforcement may attract uninformed retail investors unaware of the event itself.

Libra's regulatory retreat from permissionless design to compliant stablecoins and central bank infrastructure validates Bitcoin's decentralized value proposition and illustrates why a CEO makes systems vulnerable to political pressure.

Market & price signals

Oil collapsed to negative $1.43 per barrel during the recording; ARK's thesis projected peak oil demand around 2022 and viewed oil price declines as part of longer-term EV and autonomous vehicle adoption trends. Bitcoin's COVID-19 drawdown was severe (50% intraday, 30%+ daily close) but occurred during a universal liquidity crisis affecting equities, gold, and treasuries; since 2012, Bitcoin–S&P correlation averaged −0.15 to +0.15, spiking only during acute shocks. Miner profitability models assume Bitcoin price and hash rate evolution; peaker plant mining economics yield ~17% return on invested capital (weighted) versus 12% without mining.

Actionable insights

Institutional investors evaluating crypto exposure should establish Bitcoin conviction first; treat other crypto assets as higher-risk VC-type bets dependent on long-term internet protocol disruption, not near-term monetary utility.

Energy producers and utilities with excess capacity (peaker plants, gas flares, renewable curtailment) should evaluate Bitcoin mining as a revenue hedge; even modest mining can improve core business profitability and smooth volatile cash flows.

Avoid making asset allocation decisions during acute liquidity crises; the March 2020 correlation spike between Bitcoin, equities, and gold says little about long-term non-correlation; historical precedent (gold in 2008–09) shows reversion once crisis stress lifts.

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