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The Pomp Podcast

#272: Jim Bianco on The Potential Separation of State and Money

4/17/2020 · 81 min · transcript via mlx

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Key topics

The Federal Reserve and Treasury have merged monetary and fiscal policy through special purpose vehicles, effectively nationalizing markets and handing control of the printing press to the Trump administration.

Long-term economic damage from the pandemic will likely outweigh short-term gains; a post-virus world will differ significantly from pre-crisis conditions in globalization, work patterns, and business structure.

Stimulus-driven inflation is a serious risk—not immediately, but potentially in 2021–2022 once the deflationary crisis passes and the economy reopens.

De-globalization and supply chain resilience will likely replace efficiency-driven outsourcing, squeezing corporate margins and lowering forward earnings multiples and stock valuations.

The next global reserve currency will probably be a cryptocurrency, not a government-issued digital dollar, as it must be beyond government reach to gain trust after repeated policy failures.

Current stock market valuations rest on artificial Fed support; without continued stimulus, equities could fall 50% from current levels, similar to the Bear Stearns bounce of 2008 before the Lehman collapse.

Market & price signals

Jim expects a 50% retracement in equities mirrors the 2008 pattern: March 23 low followed by recovery, but he warns of a later Lehman-style decline once earnings reality sets in. He argues the S&P recovered to artificial levels propped by Fed purchases; fair value is substantially lower. Gold has lagged because it remains part of the financial system (especially when held as GLD on NYSE) and serves as a liquidation source during margin calls. The dollar continues strengthening as the world's reserve currency despite massive global stimulus, driven by trade needs and safe-haven demand—a phenomenon Brent Johnson's "dollar milkshake theory" describes. Bitcoin and crypto assets have not rallied during the crisis because they cannot yet function as real mediums of exchange outside the dollar system.

Actionable insights

Expect prolonged volatility and eventual downside as earnings reports reveal balance sheet damage and revenue impairment that the market's recovery has not priced in; focus on corporate debt restructuring and covenant violations as early warning signals.

Consider exposure to non-correlated stores of value (hard assets, land, real assets) that benefit from inflation and de-globalization rather than financial assets dependent on Fed support, as margin of safety narrows on equities.

Monitor government policy divergence between the Fed and Treasury/White House; if inflation accelerates in 2021–2022, market riots will force a painful exit from stimulus, likely crushing assets that depend on continued liquidity injection.

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