₿ BTC PodsBe a Pod Maxi
The Pomp Podcast

Michael Venuto, Co-Founder of Toroso Investments: Inside the World of ETFs

2/14/2020 · 73 min · transcript via mlx

Tags

Key topics

ETFs are structured like mutual funds but price intraday (every second instead of once daily), creating tax efficiency and liquidity benefits through creation and redemption mechanics.

The blockchain ETF (BLOK) launched as an actively managed fund to capture blockchain and crypto-adjacent companies; the SEC initially banned the word "blockchain" from the name due to mania concerns, renaming it the Amplify Transformational Data Sharing ETF.

ETF industry has grown at 19.6% annualized over 26 years, now representing $4.4 trillion in US assets with average expense ratios of 19 basis points.

A Bitcoin or crypto ETF would likely attract $1 billion in inflows within months but represents a philosophical contradiction to decentralization; Venuto believes it may not be as transformative as expected since investors already committed to crypto have already bought directly.

Gatekeeping by large financial institutions stifles ETF innovation by preventing access to new issuers while cloning their ideas under established brands.

The next generation's comfort with crypto and blockchain (children not questioning its legitimacy) signals genuine adoption potential beyond speculation.

Market & price signals

Current ETF assets: $4.4 trillion with an average expense ratio of 19 basis points.

Active ETFs represent 3% of assets but 6% of revenue, showing higher fee tolerance for active management (e.g., ARK at ~70 basis points).

Bitcoin ETF estimated to command close to 1% (100 basis points) in fees due to storage costs, far above traditional passive ETF averages.

Anticipated Bitcoin ETF would accumulate $1 billion in assets within three months and drive price appreciation through massive capital inflows into a ~$160–170 billion asset class.

ETFs now own 7.5% of every US stock by market cap, up from 2.67% eight years ago—a threefold increase.

Actionable insights

Investors should understand that transparency and tax efficiency are core ETF advantages; look under the hood at actual holdings rather than relying solely on ticker name or expense ratio when choosing funds.

If a Bitcoin ETF is approved, expect immediate capital flows and price volatility, but recognize that true believers in crypto have likely already purchased directly—the ETF may primarily onboard advisors and less-informed investors.

Monitor spinoffs of blockchain divisions from major corporations (JP Morgan, IBM, MasterCard) as these may offer purer public exposure to blockchain technology than existing mixed portfolios.

Episode sponsorships

Paid placements mentioned in this episode. BTC Pods is not sponsored by or affiliated with these advertisers. Links are included so you can find offers mentioned on the show.

No sponsorships in this episode.