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The Pomp Podcast

#264: Dan Primack on How Covid-19 will Impact the Early-Stage Investment Climate

4/8/2020 · 46 min · transcript via mlx

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Key topics

Stimulus package structure: The $2 trillion CARES Act includes direct payments to individuals ($1,200 per person), enhanced unemployment insurance, airline and hospitality bailouts, a $350 billion Payroll Protection Program (PPP) for businesses with under 500 employees, and a $500 billion mid-size lending program for larger firms.

PPP loan distribution challenges: Banks faced rushed guidance (issued Thursday night for Friday rollout), leading to inconsistent eligibility criteria—some required existing customer status, prior loans, or credit cards, creating arbitrary barriers for small business applicants.

Venture and private equity exclusions: Venture-backed startups face "affiliation rule" complications where shared VC investors trigger portfolio-wide employee counts, disqualifying qualifying businesses; private equity-owned companies are explicitly excluded from PPP.

Forgivability and loan terms: PPP loans are forgivable if employers maintain approximately 90% of payroll, though application language ("support operations") remains vague and could enable broader business access than intended.

Municipal and state funding crisis: Cities and states face revenue collapse from lost sales, tourism, and airport taxes while still paying fixed obligations; multiple rounds of stimulus will likely be needed.

Private equity and VC positioning: Venture firms show modest activity; buyout deals have largely stalled due to debt issuance uncertainty and valuation confusion; pension funds face "denominator effects" reducing capital call capacity.

Market & price signals

Markets rose on the day of recording (Monday, likely March 30, 2020), attributed to investor confidence that the virus will eventually end and recovery is possible. Valuations remain deeply uncertain given revenue shocks (some businesses at zero revenue, particularly hospitality and cruise lines). The Saudi Public Investment Fund took an 8.2% stake in Carnival Cruise, betting on eventual recovery despite current devastation. Silver Lake invested $1 billion in Airbnb equity while the company's occupancy is essentially shut down. No specific Bitcoin or cryptocurrency price discussion occurred.

Actionable insights

Understand that government stimulus prioritizes job preservation over company survival—if you run a small business, focus messaging on payroll maintenance when applying for PPP loans, as forgivability hinges on keeping 90% of employees.

Monitor municipal and state solvency over the next 6–12 months; commercial real estate, pension funds, and public services face cascading defaults if revenue recovery takes longer than consensus expects, creating potential downstream financial system stress.

Reputation and stakeholder trust during crisis periods have long-term return implications; private equity and venture firms that defer fees, cut fund sizes, or inject capital now may see LP retention and deal flow advantages when markets recover, whereas opportunistic behavior may be remembered for decades.

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