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#701 Stablecoins, Yield Generation, and Regulation w/ Jeremy Allaire and Kevin O’Leary

10/26/2021 · 36 min · transcript via mlx

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Key topics

— Circle operates USDC, the largest regulated dollar stablecoin, which has grown from $400M (early 2020) to $33B in circulation with over a trillion dollars transacted on public blockchains.

— Kevin O'Leary is testing USDC yield accounts for his operating company, earning 5.8%–6.2% returns while navigating compliance and regulatory approval with auditors and the SEC.

— Circle is filing for a national digital currency bank charter to supervise stablecoin banking at scale, with reserves held 100% in cash and cash equivalents.

— Institutional demand for dollar stablecoin borrowing in crypto capital markets drives yields; Circle lends only to institutional borrowers over-collateralized at 125% in Bitcoin.

— Kevin frames crypto and blockchain as a new 12th sector of the S&P 500, targeting 20% allocation to equities, coins, tokens, and chain developers by end of year.

— Businesses can sign up for Circle accounts and treasury yield services with flexible tenors (1, 3, 6, or 12 months) to wire funds into USDC and earn yield.

Market & price signals

— USDC circulation grew 10x in 2021 (from $400M to $4B on January 1) and is on track for another 10x in 2022, now at $33B.

— Yields on USDC range from 5.8% to 7.25% depending on tenor; three-month terms currently around 7.25%.

— Interest rates are highly sensitive to Fed policy; higher rates increase income potential for reserve holders.

— Treasury yields on cash alternatives currently offer only ~21 basis points, making USDC yields significantly more attractive.

Actionable insights

— Startups and small business owners with large balance sheets can open Circle accounts (similar to business bank accounts), deposit dollars as USDC, and earn 5.8%–7.25% yield on flexible terms without requiring regulatory approval delays.

— Institutional investors and corporations should evaluate USDC as a cash management tool and potential payment rail for efficiency gains, while advocating for clearer stablecoin regulation to enable larger allocations.

— Consider diversifying crypto exposure across multiple buckets—equities (Circle, miners), yield-bearing stablecoins (USDC), and underlying digital assets—rather than treating crypto as a single monolithic allocation.

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— BlockFi provides financial products for crypto investors, including high-yield interest accounts, US dollar loans, and no-fee trading. Visit blockfi.com/Pomp to start earning today.

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— Circle is a global financial technology firm enabling businesses to harness stablecoins and public blockchains for payments, commerce, and financial applications. Circle is a principal developer of USDCoin (USDC), the fastest-growing regulated fully reserved dollar stablecoin, now standing at over $11 billion market cap and adding nearly $300 million in net new circulation weekly. Visit circle.com to learn more.