#1519 Anthony & John Pompliano | BlackRock’s Insanely Bullish Bitcoin Take
4/1/2025 · 31 min · transcript via mlx
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Key topics
— Larry Fink and BlackRock's bullish stance on Bitcoin as a hedge against dollar debasement and fiscal mismanagement, with Fink citing risk of dollar losing reserve currency status.
— Hut 8's spin-off structure with American Bitcoin subsidiary owned 80/20 by Hut 8 and Trump family interests, unbundling Bitcoin mining from AI data centers to unlock separate valuations.
— Tariff policy and Liberation Day: Trump administration's protectionist stance; John argues tariffs shift demand to U.S. manufacturing, historically lower prices (2018 washing machine example), and improve working-class sentiment.
— Recession probability: Goldman Sachs 35%, JP Morgan 40%, Deutsche Bank 50%—inverting the math shows 50–80% odds against recession; Fed has rate-cut ammunition to prevent downturn.
— Interest rate cuts as hidden agenda: Scott Bessent, Howard Lutnick, and Trump aiming to pressure Jerome Powell into rate cuts to refinance ~$7 trillion in maturing government debt.
— Market sentiment gap: Coastal elites and Wall Street worried; working class and Main Street optimistic (44% say country heading right direction, near 20-year high).
Market & price signals
— Gas prices at four-year lows (75 days into administration); egg prices down 50%+.
— Billionaire net worth decline: $400 billion collective losses since Trump's election; Elon Musk personally down $100 billion.
— Inflation redefinition: Official government data shows 2.8%; alternative metric (Truflation) shows 1.38% (down 50% since December).
— Stock market outperformance under Biden: Acknowledged as positive despite policy disagreements; prediction both stocks and crypto hit all-time highs by year-end.
— Company valuations: Bitcoin miners trade at 6–7× revenue; AI data centers at 19–22× revenue, explaining Hut 8's unbundling rationale.
Actionable insights
— Tariffs shift demand to domestic production: Historical precedent (2018 washing machines) shows prices fall and jobs created within 18 months; consumers benefit via lower staple prices (gas, groceries, eggs).
— Recession odds favor no downturn: 60–80% probability economy avoids recession depending on source; Fed can cut rates to prevent slowdown even if Q1 GDP turns negative.
— Unbundled mining plays may outperform: Pure-play Bitcoin mining and AI data center stocks allow separate valuations; investors can target specific thesis without cross-subsidy drag.
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