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#252: Mark Yusko on How we got to QE Infinity from the Fed

3/26/2020 · 70 min · transcript via mlx

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Key topics

— Fed policy and QE history: Mark Yusko traces QE's origins to 1930s interventions and explains how the Fed has repeatedly created asset bubbles followed by crashes despite Greenspan, Bernanke, and Powell "puts" that expired worthless.

— Leverage and mark-to-market risk: Hedge funds and non-bank financial institutions built massive leverage on what appeared to be safe trades (convergence trades, basis trades, investment-grade bonds), creating hidden solvency crises masked as liquidity problems.

— Liquidity vs. solvency crisis: The Fed's $4 trillion liquidity injection cannot solve the underlying solvency crisis caused by over-leveraged corporations that underfunded R&D, overspent on buybacks, and lack cash buffers.

— Winners and losers in the collapse: Over-leveraged companies face bankruptcy; small businesses shut by mandate suffer while well-connected mega-corporations receive bailouts; value investors positioned before the crash stand to outperform growth investors significantly.

— COVID-19 policy trade-offs: Yusko questions whether the economic shutdown decision was made with accurate epidemiological data, noting schools may have inadvertently spread the virus to vulnerable populations and comparing the mortality toll to influenza.

— Five-to-ten-year asset outlook: U.S. equities priced for ~0% returns; value stocks undervalued; emerging markets to outperform; long-term bonds favorable; oil weaker; Bitcoin essential as uncorrelated asset with millennial inheritance wealth flowing into crypto.

Market & price signals

— U.S. equities valuation: Two months prior to the interview, priced for negative 3–4% returns over a decade; now closer to 0–1% compound returns; FAANGs still wildly overvalued; value stocks finally undervalued after a decade of underperformance.

— Credit spreads and bond stress: Investment-grade bond ETF (LQD) fell 7% in three days for the first time ever; senior secured bonds traded down to 90 from 99–100 par despite being money-good due to liquidity cascade.

— Oil price collapse: Saudi Arabia flooding market; prices near $20; U.S. shale facing bankruptcy; Russia positioned to benefit; demand shock potentially worse than Great Depression at ~5–6 million barrels per day offline.

— Bitcoin correlation: 0.15 correlation to traditional assets over long term vs. 0.30 for bonds; positioned to benefit from millennial wealth transfer of ~$37 trillion over next decade.

Actionable insights

— Rebalance and rotate into value: Endowments and institutions that rebalanced into value managers (like Bronte Capital) while growth was still crowded are outperforming; value investors historically generate 17–18% annual returns during multi-decade cycles following crashes.

— Accumulate cash and buy selectively at true lows: Avoid reflexive "buy the dip" trading; wait for credible value signals (Buffett's move, not bounces) and use cash reserves to absorb market dislocations over the next 12–18 months rather than chase relief rallies.

— Allocate to uncorrelated assets for the decade: Position portfolio with long-duration government bonds, emerge markets (for dollar weakness), and Bitcoin to hedge equity and credit risk; avoid over-leveraged corporate credit unless buying distressed debt at massive discounts.

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