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Dmitry Tokarev, CEO of Copper: The True Drivers of Crypto’s Buy-Side Infrastructure

6/18/2019 · 50 min · transcript via mlx

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Key topics

Financial infrastructure in crypto requires professional custody, administration, prime brokerage, and settlement frameworks similar to traditional markets, not just security-focused wallet storage.

The "Walled Garden" framework solves a critical LP concern: preventing fund managers from withdrawing assets to personal wallets by restricting transfers to predefined execution venues only.

Legacy banking infrastructure built in the 1970s–90s is costly and inefficient; blockchain can serve as a single source of truth, eliminating redundant database synchronization across multiple institutions.

Institutional adoption is being driven by large LPs (insurance funds, pension funds, family offices) who demand robust frameworks and minimum ticket sizes (often $10M+), forcing asset managers to professionalize or lose capital.

Crypto market maturation filtered out "tourists" during the 2018 downturn, leaving serious operators with institutional discipline and proper investment strategies.

Institutional infrastructure providers (like Copper) are filling the gap left by early crypto custodians who didn't understand business applications of custody beyond security.

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Actionable insights

If you're a crypto asset manager seeking institutional capital, expect LPs to demand professional infrastructure: independent custody, third-party administration, segregated wallets, and restricted withdrawal frameworks—not self-custody or self-administration.

Large institutional allocations now require minimum tickets of $10M+, meaning fund managers must build compliant infrastructure before they can access significant LP capital; the infrastructure must be in place before the money arrives.

Regulatory arbitrage opportunities exist in jurisdictions like the UK and Asia that have outdated or inconsistent rules around retail product sales and principal trading; regulators will eventually harmonize standards, so early movers in compliant infrastructure will have an advantage.

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