Andrew Webley Met Michael Saylor In London — Here's The One Piece Of Advice He Got
7/9/2026 · 63 min · transcript via whisper
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Key topics
— SmarterWeb Company's rapid growth: IPO'd in April 2025 on Aquis exchange after struggling to find UK support for the Bitcoin treasury model; raised nearly £250 million in 14 months, now holds 2,878 BTC, and uplisted to London Stock Exchange with FTSE inclusion.
— Capital structure and leverage strategy: Introduced responsible debt for the first time this year to fund warrant buybacks and additional BTC accumulation through dollar-cost averaging; maintained no-discount fundraising discipline throughout growth phase.
— Mergers & acquisition via balance sheet strength: Acquired Squarebird Agency, a profitable digital services business, using mixed cash and equity, significantly growing recurring revenues and demonstrating optionality that a strong balance sheet provides.
— Digital credit and preferred equities: Highlighted strategy's STRC and SATA products as breakthrough capital market tools, enabling continuous equity issuance even in bear markets; UK structural advantages (distributable reserves, no return-of-capital requirement, income fund mandates) create opportunity for future preferred equity issuance.
— Index inclusion pathway: FTSE 250 inclusion is "in touching distance"; achieving it would require modest capital raise concurrent with Bitcoin appreciation, then FTSE 100 is a larger but achievable leap.
— Community tensions and philosophical positioning: Addressed Bitcoin maxim criticism directly—Bitcoin serves all users regardless of agreement; treasury companies and digital credit infrastructure are essential for mass adoption and Bitcoin standard implementation.
Market & price signals
— Bitcoin's 50% drawdown this year prompted SmarterWeb's first debt issuance as a responsible leverage tool. Strategy's preferred equity products (STRC, SATA) raised $15.5 billion notional in just over one year, with STRC hitting 300+ million in 30-day rolling average daily volume despite bear market conditions. SmarterWeb trades below 1.0x MNAV (measured as enterprise value to BTC holdings), indicating market undervaluation in Andrew's view. No specific BTC price targets discussed.
Actionable insights
— Balance sheet discipline in downturns matters: Building infrastructure, team, listing venue, and index inclusion during poor markets positions you to capitalize rapidly when sentiment returns; SmarterWeb's continued accumulation signals conviction and prepares optionality for the next bull phase.
— Preferred equities solve the capital-raising puzzle for treasuries: Income-focused products allow sustained fundraising (80–90% of the time vs. 30–40% for common equity), crucial for deploying capital when BTC is cheap but investor sentiment is poor—applicable to any jurisdiction that can structure the mechanics appropriately.
— Optionality via a strong operating business is underrated: Acquiring Squarebird and building recurring revenue means SmarterWeb doesn't rely solely on treasury management; this hybrid model (operating business covering costs, treasury as upside) is likely the long-term template for sustainable Bitcoin treasuries.
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