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What is Credit w/ special guest Adam Livingston | True North Podcast | Ep. 41

10/8/2025 · 135 min · transcript via mlx

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Key topics

MSTR holds 640,031 Bitcoin with an 18.9% leverage ratio (or 15% adjusted for convertible debt); Bitcoin would need to drop 81% for assets to fall below liabilities, representing extremely low tail risk.

Credit systems are fundamental to economic function, spanning personal (credit cards, mortgages, auto loans) to corporate (bonds, preferred equity) and enabling productive capital formation.

Bitcoin as collateral is vastly superior to traditional assets: it requires no maintenance, has zero carrying costs, and is infinitely liquid 24/7/365—yet lending terms remain poor (25% liquidation haircuts are typical).

Corporate bond markets have shifted toward higher-risk instruments since 2015, with junk bonds and low-quality credit increasing while AAA-rated bonds decline, signaling rising systemic credit risk.

Disruption risk is severely underpriced in 30+ year corporate bonds; technology acceleration makes long-duration fixed-income commitments increasingly dangerous (Ford, Target, retail sector examples).

Bitcoin treasury companies like Strategy are issuing investment-grade credit instruments backed by the world's best collateral—a market structure that has never existed before.

Market & price signals

MSTR price: ~$331 (down from recent highs); Bitcoin held: 640,031 BTC; Bitcoin price: ~$122,000. From January 1, 2024 baseline: Bitcoin +3x, MSTR +5x. Strategy 1X mNAV raised from $52 to $271 (+422%) while common equity rose from $69 to $329. Household credit stress signals: auto loans, credit card balances, and "other" credit near 2008–2010 peaks; mortgage delinquencies near all-time lows, suggesting bifurcated credit health. Corporate bond yields: Ford 2046 bonds paying 6.65%, 2097 bonds at similar rates—extraordinary duration risk for historically disruptable industries.

Actionable insights

Entry timing matters despite directional bullish thesis: Treasury company shares now trade at 0.7–0.9× mNAV with sentiment severely depressed; mathematically de-risked positions offer asymmetric upside if Bitcoin rallies in Q4, but only if you've done diligence to rule out cash burn or insolvency.

Leverage positioning is a critical differentiator: Companies trading sub-mNAV and carrying leverage (especially convertible debt at low rates) stand to outperform massively during a Bitcoin bull run; Strategy is transitioning from equity to preferred issuance to raise leverage and prepare for the most explosive part of the cycle.

Bitcoin lending terms are currently terrible but set to compress: At 7.5% on Coinbase and 16–18% elsewhere, rates remain loan-shark-level; as custody improves and institutional adoption widens, cost of capital for Bitcoin holders will plummet—positioning Bitcoin holders as future credit prime.

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